CMP to SUR Conversion Tests

Here’s all the Cons nodes (from the XML Project - when I said it decoded everything I really meant it).

struct Vector
{
  float x, y, z;
};

struct Matrix
{
  Vector i, j, k;
};

// \Cmpnd\Cons\{Fix,Trans,Loose}    // Trans isn't in any of the vanilla files
struct FIX
{
  char   parent[64];
  char   child[64];
  Vector position;
  Matrix orientation;
};

// \Cmpnd\Cons\{Pris,Rev}
struct REV
{
  char   parent[64];
  char   child[64];
  Vector position;
  Vector offset;
  Matrix orientation;
  Vector axis;
  float  minmax[2];             // don't seem to be used
};

// \Cmpnd\Cons\Cyl
struct CYL                      // not in any of the vanilla files
{
  char   parent[64];
  char   child[64];
  Vector position;
  Vector offset;
  Matrix orientation;
  Vector axis;
  float  minmax[4];             // don't seem to be used
};

// \Cmpnd\Cons\Sphere
struct SPHERE
{
  char   parent[64];
  char   child[64];
  Vector position;
  Vector offset;
  Matrix orientation;
  float  minmax[6];             // don't seem to be used
};

```I've called it **position** here, but after looking at the UTF Editor, I probably should have stuck with **origin**. I only think it's minimum and maximum angles, but a quick play with the debugger showed they were never read; the problem is some of the bases uses really large values, which seems to belie their use as angles. I've used Matrix as three Vectors, because that's how Paul Isaac defined it in **View UTF**, a mod utility for Conquest: Frontier Wars. (It's a bit temperamental, which is why I've never mentioned it before now. There's also an unpack utility, which should create/extract UTF files, but it didn't work at all.)

Drat!

Shaved my long grey beard off, thinking I would have LS’s utility by now and have to do some fast serious work needing sleek streamlined facial lines…

It’s so cold without it!

And I notice some stray mice have moved in here too…

If you’d like to mail me a file that’s not working, I could have a quick look.

LancerSolurus wrote:

Something is missing in the understanding of the cmp model format. I have generated Cons-Fixed entries,

Errm… I hope you mean Cons-Fix ??

Not Cons-Fixed!!

P1p3r’s .cmp exporter also caused a Cons-Fixed problem, we have to rename those nodes as Cons-Fix.

Any progress pals?

Yep, interested

Lancer? Yoo-hoooooo!!! Lan-cer?

Anyone seen him? No posts at digitalbrilliance either!

Maybe he’s burning the midnight oils on this utility? Nah? Sure? Hmmm…

Eeeee-lo-oooooooo?

Has he been captured by the Thyroids? Toroids? Er… Tannoys? Triffids? Teletubbies! Aha! They’re the ones!

Okay ST, I’m sorry but don’t post in this topic again. This is spam, plain and simply, and if you don’t want me to consider you a spambot and deal with you as I would with them, cut the chatter.

LS will post back when he has progress and that’s all there is to it.

Hello and I hope this is not considered spam.

I was and still having troubles with a mob of mine, i was pointed here and found the beta, or alpha of this cmp to sur convertor. and it has helpped nail down one of the possable problems my Sur file.

My ship is still invisable, but thanks to this program it is taking hits like it should. I’m wondering if the Mat exportor i have for Milkshape 128 is faulty or messed up. It is the “freelancer mat 0.1” exporter.

You’d be best off to use the topic you already have created on the subject or make a new one if you don’t have one.

Just to give you some possible angles of attack, LODRanges? Groups are named right? Files are referenced properly? Errors in the logs?

OK FF, no offence meant.

The reason I keep bumping is that it keeps disappearing, goes way down the forum list, and out of sight out of mind.

I have a serious need for this tool.

As you see I gave up on your FL Dev after you explained your commitments, but I am still waiting for that too.

I will desist, but let it be recorded that I believe I have contributed enough help here to be given some lee-way when I get grumpy or throw in some humourous remark that is irrelevant?

Go back, check your posts and count the number of “irrelevant” posts of yours I’ve let through. I think I’m being lenient enough

I just don’t want this to devolve into a bump fest. LS isn’t the kind of guy to forget about something like this and it’s far more efficient to remind him on MSN anyways

He’s just a busy man and aren’t we all? Give him time, he’ll respond.

Um not to brust your bubbles but according to this site/topic. The project is DEAD, Due to math needed to make it work, as well as a TOTAL hard drive crash.

http://forums.seriouszone.com/showthread.php?53192-CMP-to-SUR-Converter

Please look at the date of the topic…

If you don’t see it, it’s 2008 So, as FF said, give LS some time. Thanks.

Oh lol, Silly me facepalms, but misses palm and facedesks instead

But on the side note, The beta 02 works perfectly and so far its not got a bad sur for my Eve-online mod. I’m going to create you for the Surs for my mod. Becasue without this cmp to sur conversion i’d have to mess around myself and make tons of mistakes.

Cheers
Lonestar

Good to see you Lancer!

Just as a reminder to all:

The beta is already fab for one-group models, and is absolutely fine for small ships.

This is because only one sur part is created by the beta, and that part covers the entire model in a tight-fitting convex shroud.

So if there are gaps between parts of the ship it really doesn’t matter when the ship is small, because hits will register on empty space but it is small space.

The utility Lancer is still working on is going to be great for large ships where the gaps between booms etc is huge, like the gap between the engines on the Enterprise 1701-A type for example, and shots that should pass through will be hitting the ship spaces instead.

This version will create one sur part per group, so it is important that the model is created (or modified) in sensible groups, for example for the Enteprise there should be the following MilkShape/.cmp groups:

1. Saucer
2. Main hull
3. Saucer Pylon
4. Left Engine
5. Left Engine Pylon
6. Right Engine
7. Right Engine Pylon

Each group of the ship will then have its own sur, so that there will be gaps in between the groups, and shots will pass through all the gaps instead of hitting.

In the .cmp each Group can (and should) have sub-parts for detail, but these should not be separate groups - you can determine this by placing each part under the main group that it belongs to in the MilkShape Groups list, and then in the .cmp exporter by setting the right Group Quantities (count of the parts plus the main Group itself) for each Group.

But you MUST make your ship in this way for this to be effective.

ST going into hybernation and long sulks after being told off by FF.

Let me know if you want me back.

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StarTrader wrote:

LancerSolurus wrote:

Something is missing in the understanding of the cmp model format. I have generated Cons-Fixed entries,

Errm… I hope you mean Cons-Fix ??

Not Cons-Fixed!!

P1p3r’s .cmp exporter also caused a Cons-Fixed problem, we have to rename those nodes as Cons-Fix.

LS - you didn’t reply to this and I don’t know if it’s a typo or if it really is Cons-Fixed, causing the problem you have?