Brrr and wut wit TLR?

Before/After quarrel…. Is anybody remember the bananas and sofa?

OPR8R wrote:

guess what… you are right
The FL community is split and no matter how much I try to change that situation some people will never allow me to succeed.
So I stop trying, at least here.

You know, a start would be to allow links and discussions about TSP at TLR.
(Im pretty sure there was a link to TSP in this thread but it could’ve been AzzA who deleted that post)

Next steps would maybe be a link exchange?
We could also include a link to TLR in our community bar when you include a link to TSP in your community bar.

Op, the internet meme for your posting here is this:

No, this deserves a Jesus Facepalm + Double facepalm:

EDIT: This is a facepalm for the whole thread, not a specific person or post, but the discussion in this thread.

Yeah, I can post those pics to but, don’t you all thinks it’s about time to just FORGET the FRIGGIN PAST (I certainly am!)
and push forward for the FUTURE of FREELANCER or, take it down another notch or two?

What about new players that come here and read all this crap, without having to log in or, register to do so, hunh?

There!!!

That’s my two fkn’ cents!!!

{{{ HK out…Transmisson terminated!!!..}}}}

NeXoSE wrote:
Before/After quarrel…. Is anybody remember the bananas and sofa?

Bananas? Where?

(checks his stash)… here buddy… i saved some for you… shows almost over though, but at least the banana’s are fresh

w0dk4 wrote:

OPR8R wrote:

guess what… you are right
The FL community is split and no matter how much I try to change that situation some people will never allow me to succeed.
So I stop trying, at least here.

You know, a start would be to allow links and discussions about TSP at TLR.
(Im pretty sure there was a link to TSP in this thread but it could’ve been AzzA who deleted that post)

Next steps would maybe be a link exchange?
We could also include a link to TLR in our community bar when you include a link to TSP in your community bar.

how about you finally post the news that were submitted by huor about my mod 1month ago

how about you stop denying that the work ive done for the freelancer community

how about you stop denying the help requests that were going into your direction (a little reminder on the very first ones: i asked TSP for help to prevent the GLS shut down as we clearly got an offer to keep it running; another request for help happened when the FL communities where hacked and TSP claimed to be save now)

how about finally admitting TSPs role in the split of the FL communitiy (after all it where TSP admins in charge at TLR during that time, it where the TSP admins in charge of the TLR meeting in 2007 and the hacking happened because of exactly those members)

how about admiting how you w0dk4 prevented the development of a GLS replacement prior the GLS shut down by microsoft eventhough it was known that the support time is almost over (a matter that was discussed at the old TLR and still can be read on the archives)

talking about TLR, how about you remove the TLR archives from the net as they are actually TLR property

and finally you were talking about link exchange… ok
1. how about you let us use OUR software as our needs are different
2. how about you grant others the right to use alternative community bars as several server and community admins requested the creation of it
3. if you think you have to deny us and others the above rights then why dont you use the already existing button link exchange from FLC (same rights for everyone)

you want first steps… so do them

oh one final comment:
Azzas policy towards TSP regarding links is not neccessary my policy
but in the end it depends on the treatment we receive from TSP (which btw. doesnt look good right now)

I know some TSPer will be adressing the post above aggresively. Don’t, it won’t help.

yeah me!..

How about… the both of you take a step back of the podium… and let us… the community speak?

OP… yes, you have done alot… and many notice and give respect in kind… but unfortunately that gets dragged down with all this old Bulshit… I understand (as do many) you’ve had better days with Freelancer… but this argument is dragging you both down… and your BOTH better than that… for fracks sake i hope you are… or its time to hang up the admin hat.

TSP and assorted TLR bashers… yes TLR did a bad thing (or 2) at one time… BUT THAT TIME IS NOT NOW!!! … im not going to pull quotes outa my ass and make you feel bad about your opinions, were all entitled to what we feel… What has been done in the past is just that… the past… you drag us all down with this squabble… and i for one am wholly sick of it… from both sides. TLR is back up… live with it…

And one final thing… I saw above nothing more than a simple outstretch of one site to the other… based on the disscusion that has taken place… Don’t cut that hand off OP… and for our sakes… go have a drink and mellow out for a few hours… come back and re-read that post from w0dk4… re-read this… then look at all the old time players and moders voicing the “not agian” opinion… were over this … we just want to make mods and have a good time… this thread… is far from a good or productive time…

Xarian out…

No no no Xarian,
why is the stuff that THEY have done in the past, all the troubles they have caused not important anymore? Obviously I get blamed for every small crap, just like e.g. “creating a community bar” or “having an own opinion about some screenshots” aswell as all my work is getting constantly discredited since I have officially left TSP 1 1/2 years ago when these guys started to discuss how to destroy another FL community on the admins board?

The point is I did something nobody of them was interested to do for years, asking Azza to allow me to build up TLR again in order to bring old can new members to the FL community(and probably bringing the community itself a bit closer together). And just a few days later read this thread here where I get bashed, where TLR gets bashed.
I decided to come to this thread to make an offer so the troubles could end and guess what, I get bashed again. I am even being told which software I have to use on my own site, hello?
Judging by this thread and its replies Starport is in no way willing to stop this crap and actively start to support TLR and the other Communities aligned to it. Therefore the TLR administration and leadership aswell as the benefits from it will be shared by the other remaining FL communities that agreed in this kind of cooperation and by those which will join in later.
This was the intention from day one and this is how it will be. I didnt start this project for my personal interests, but I am also not willing to take the blame while others take the benefits. Coz this is happening for several years meanwhile, and i am sick of it.

TLR is back, it will stay that way and become an active and successful Lancer community again… thats a fact.
I am not MC and I am not Azza, I make things happen like i always did.

I think by now its becoming clear who actually wants the split.

Btw. Huor did never submit a news about Crossfire (or it had an error, who knows), at least if another Starport admin did not delete the news which I highly doubt. Will have to double check with FF on that one.
(maybe you refer to this: http://the-starport.net/freelancer/forum/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3441&forum=19 )

Saving a FL community and rebuilding it, getting other FL communities finally to work together, doing decisions together, working on the same project and supporting those communities is a split now? Coming here, despite the respectles content of this thread to make an offer is a split?
Wow, thats an interesting logic.

OPR8R wrote:
how about you finally post the news that were submitted by huor about my mod 1month ago

how about you stop denying that the work ive done for the freelancer community

how about you stop denying the help requests that were going into your direction (a little reminder on the very first ones: i asked TSP for help to prevent the GLS shut down as we clearly got an offer to keep it running; another request for help happened when the FL communities where hacked and TSP claimed to be save now)

how about finally admitting TSPs role in the split of the FL communitiy (after all it where TSP admins in charge at TLR during that time, it where the TSP admins in charge of the TLR meeting in 2007 and the hacking happened because of exactly those members)

how about admiting how you w0dk4 prevented the development of a GLS replacement prior the GLS shut down by microsoft eventhough it was known that the support time is almost over (a matter that was discussed at the old TLR and still can be read on the archives)

talking about TLR, how about you remove the TLR archives from the net as they are actually TLR property

and finally you were talking about link exchange… ok
1. how about you let us use OUR software as our needs are different
2. how about you grant others the right to use alternative community bars as several server and community admins requested the creation of it
3. if you think you have to deny us and others the above rights then why dont you use the already existing button link exchange from FLC (same rights for everyone)

you want first steps… so do them

oh one final comment:
Azzas policy towards TSP regarding links is not neccessary my policy
but in the end it depends on the treatment we receive from TSP (which btw. doesnt look good right now)

See Wolfie, your timing was off. Now Jesus is required…

A few observations:

1. Op, you will have to directly quote the post where anyone said TLR was best off dead. I’ve re-read the topic, I can’t find it - I must be missing something.

2. Op, please quote where slanderous comments are made attacking you before you appear in this thread.

3. Op, please provide a direct quote of why your input here was required in order to defend TLR, or yourself for that matter.

Now, Op, for each of the above - please do NOT add your own interpretation. Just let the original posts speak for themselves, UN-EDITED or TRUNCATED.

The reason I ask this is simple - I re-read the thread, until you showed up, it was a reasonable discussion. I see on other sites that your claiming TSP says TLR is better off dead. I don’t need to twist words, it’s evident to all that such behaviour is an attempt to stir things up.

Oh - and Op, if that was indeed the server news posted by Huor - then you owe w0dk4 an apology.

And Wolfie, you see, NOW is the time J

OPR8R wrote:
Azzas policy towards TSP regarding links is not neccessary my policy
but in the end it depends on the treatment we receive from TSP (which btw. doesnt look good right now)

Now now Op, is this a thinly veiled threat you are making? I don’t want to twist your words, but your post is actually a threat

1. no it is not the news that i was talking about
2. it was not the only news that were submitted to TSP (the news I submitted january during the mod awards also was not posted and there definitly was no problem with the site)
3. if you consider it a threat that i might consider not to allow links to a site that is constantly bashing us, well then i can not change it… take it as a threat, i take it as a possible policy

OPR8R wrote:
1. no it is not the news that i was talking about
2. it was not the only news that were submitted to TSP (the news I submitted january during the mod awards also was not posted and there definitly was no problem with the site)
3. if you consider it a threat that i might consider not to allow links to a site that is constantly bashing us, well then i can not change it… take it as a threat, i take it as a possible policy

Please provide evidence where in this thread you were bashed - I added some text to the original post:

A few observations:

1. Op, you will have to directly quote the post where anyone said TLR was best off dead. I’ve re-read the topic, I can’t find it - I must be missing something.

2. Op, please quote where slanderous comments are made attacking you before you appear in this thread.

3. Op, please provide a direct quote of why your input here was required in order to defend TLR, or yourself for that matter.

Now, Op, for each of the above - please do NOT add your own interpretation. Just let the original posts speak for themselves, UN-EDITED or TRUNCATED.

The reason I ask this is simple - I re-read the thread, until you showed up, it was a reasonable discussion. I see on other sites that your claiming TSP says TLR is better off dead. I don’t need to twist words, it’s evident to all that such behaviour is an attempt to stir things up.

Honestly, before you posted, this thread was a reasonable and responsible discussion without any attacks perceivable. Since you appear, you’ve dragged it into something moderately disgusting. This has become standard practice in threads you post in. This is the reason I wish you’d leave TSP - but I have no part in TSP, so it’s only my personal wish, so don’t go around telling anyone it is TSP’s policy.

However, feel free to tell them it’s my personal opinion.

OP, you sound rediculous, it’s like a ten year old storming around the room waving his hands in the air, red in the face, steam coming out of his ears, stamping his feet, pointing fingers, blaming everyone else for everything that’s ever happened and proclaiming himself as the saviour of freelancer, the only person who’s ever done anything good for the game and it’s community whilst everyone else has conspired to prevent him doing so. You get yourself in such a huff that someone need only poke you and the red mist descends.

Your anger is obvious to all in your tone alone, never mind the constant ultimatums. w0dk4 attempts to compromise with you and all you can do is throw it back in his face with interest. You know, I love being proved wrong about someone, but everything in my gut right now tells me that you’re just a nasty and spiteful character full of anger at the world you live in.

Take a holiday or something and get some perspective, it’s not normal to carry this much anger around in your pocket, freelancer is just a simple game.

1. I’m sorry OP, but if you seriously think we’d not post news because they’re from CF, you’re oh so wrong. The world doesn’t revolve around a conspiracy against you. I’m actually really pissed off that you can even say such things with a straight face. That’s simply unbelievable. Why have you never PM’ed us about it? So you could say “Well SEE! They’re obviously against us!”?

2. I’ve never denied the work you have done. You’ve been a TLR admin, you’ve stopped it from crumbling, you’ve led or helped many, many mods and you’ve made important contributions to the FL community. This does not change the fact that we are very bothered by the way you act, nor does our perspective change our respect for your achievements.

3. I’m sorry, but I don’t recall any sort of communication of the kind. You’ll have to dig back logs or something. Remember that for a long time, TSP didn’t have any means other than a cheap web hosting. What would you have wanted the site to do?

4. Oh right, so now because MentalChaos was an asshole, it’s the fault of those admins who initially wanted to help, but who decided that attempting to deal with the fool was useless. The split was caused by MentalChaos and later AzzA and Knife, nobody else.

5. And obviously you’ll have the right to keep the archives online?

6a)

w0dk4 said:
Next steps would maybe be a link exchange?
We could also include a link to TLR in our community bar when you include a link to TSP in your community bar.

Emphasis mine. Say what again?

6b) We have had no such request. Most complaints were due to troubles installing the bar - any such bar would’ve had the same issues.

6c) I don’t even understand what that has to do with it. That we use the FLC link exchange or not is our decision, it has nothing to do with “rights” or privileges.

7. As Chips said, that sounds suspiciously like a veiled threat. Do you realize to what level you’re threatening to go down to?

Oh and OP, first steps go both ways. I only see demands as if the entire problem was unilaterally OUR fault.

Puts on responsible hat

I should point out that the way I interpreted that line as a thinly veiled threat to mean that the “policy” Azza had regarding TSP, and not just links. In other words, happy for him to DDOS.

It should be read as “I’ll just forbid links to the Starport like Azza did”, so urge people to consider that. I’m just, well, taking it to imply more than it may appear to do - twisting words, tin foil hat etc

My comments may ask questions of individuals, but in truth they are for the reader to actually think and re-look rather than accept things - a sort of go back, read, and make your own conclusion as to whether that is what actually happened.I personally find most of this thread, and the comments made, highly entertaining (some both ironic and hypocritical in parts!).

I just hope people don’t accept things verbatim - a lot of the comments about issues are misleading and blown out of all proportion. Some talk of “truths”, but remember, everything is down to perspectives, and any “presentation of truth” is always presented in a light that favours the person “revealing” the truth.

The repeated going over’s of the points (some which are now over 3 years old for crying out loud - how pathetic!) read, to any person not directly implicated in them, nothing more than trivial point scoring.

From a spectators point of view, it is smoke and mirrors to try and wrestle control of what some seem to perceive as “community”. The use of age old “but you didn’t listen to me” is grasping at straws to try and get “one-up-man-ship”.

Give it a rest.