Brrr and wut wit TLR?
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This “us vs them” mentality really sounds like one odd false dichotomy, wouldn’t you say? For some reason, TSP is antagonized against everyone else. How curious…
I’m sorry, but no, I don’t spend a lot of time on other sites. I have a lot to do and TSP is enough for me. Does that make me biased? Obviously, I started this site. Does that make me evil, does it make me not care? Hell no. I don’t even see how you can say those words and mean them. If you want to expand this sentiment to all the people around here, well I’m sorry but this is a community. I’m not going to force anyone to go anywhere. The FLCN has links to all major sites and many minor ones, TSP’s never removed, altered or edited links or references to any other site. I don’t exactly see what we could do more bar just disappearing and merging into whatever other site there is. Is that what you want? Sharing goes both ways, I shall point out. We’ve done a lot, I think, but we haven’t received any request or any suggestion, not a darn thing.
As for the illegality comment, you very, very well know what w0dk4 was talking about and are just grasping at straws trying to cast us in a bad light for some reason I do not exactly comprehend. You’ve always been the antagonizing one and we’ve let you voice your opinion on our site. Many people tell me we shouldn’t be so lenient. Who’s right?
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AzzA wrote:
Op asked for domain db etc. I said yes there is 0 conspiracy or drama this time. I am closing out and hopefully this time I can stay out. Good luck here and good luck to op.some names
chips,wodka,ors,zap,30mc,ein,torch,[crazy –-pssst see you on msn ;p],minion,klesk,ibanez,radorak,silver surfer And chakotay.
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Holy crap theres some names I havent seen for a while lol Wonder how most of those guys are doing…
Also.
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i expected FF and OP actually to be sensible enough to let each other alone. (sry on this comment)
i have to agree, to me, too, OP often seemed to be somewhat aggressive and yes, even arrogant and/or proud a bit more than i’d like s.o. to be. but you know what? who cares! we are not here to become friends, we are not even here to like each other personally. the reason we are here is the survival of FL. agree with that not every part of the community works for his neighbour part. it is fact and it won’t be easy and fast to undo this changes. the most stupid thing we can do now is blaming each other for that. we might not have understood this, but OP recently did most sensible of all: he left this thread and got back to the usual work in sense of keeping FL on its feet. we might be angry, we might dislike what he said of us and his behavior, but that is only because we do not understand him entirely. maybe he doesn’t understand us, too. the best thing FF could do now is, as well, closing this thread and get back to the work he did before and to piece we had before.and no, spare your replies about “but i don’t get, why HE does so” or “yea, but its HIS fault”. neither “no, its THEIR/YOUR fault”. we had enough of this.
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OPR8R wrote:
guess what… you are right
The FL community is split and no matter how much I try to change that situation some people will never allow me to succeed.
So I stop trying, at least here.You know, a start would be to allow links and discussions about TSP at TLR.
(Im pretty sure there was a link to TSP in this thread but it could’ve been AzzA who deleted that post)Next steps would maybe be a link exchange?
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Yeah, I can post those pics to but, don’t you all thinks it’s about time to just FORGET the FRIGGIN PAST (I certainly am!)
and push forward for the FUTURE of FREELANCER or, take it down another notch or two?What about new players that come here and read all this crap, without having to log in or, register to do so, hunh?
There!!!
That’s my two fkn’ cents!!!
{{{ HK out…Transmisson terminated!!!..}}}}
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(checks his stash)… here buddy… i saved some for you… shows almost over though, but at least the banana’s are fresh
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w0dk4 wrote:
OPR8R wrote:
guess what… you are right
The FL community is split and no matter how much I try to change that situation some people will never allow me to succeed.
So I stop trying, at least here.You know, a start would be to allow links and discussions about TSP at TLR.
(Im pretty sure there was a link to TSP in this thread but it could’ve been AzzA who deleted that post)Next steps would maybe be a link exchange?
We could also include a link to TLR in our community bar when you include a link to TSP in your community bar.how about you finally post the news that were submitted by huor about my mod 1month ago
how about you stop denying that the work ive done for the freelancer community
how about you stop denying the help requests that were going into your direction (a little reminder on the very first ones: i asked TSP for help to prevent the GLS shut down as we clearly got an offer to keep it running; another request for help happened when the FL communities where hacked and TSP claimed to be save now)
how about finally admitting TSPs role in the split of the FL communitiy (after all it where TSP admins in charge at TLR during that time, it where the TSP admins in charge of the TLR meeting in 2007 and the hacking happened because of exactly those members)
how about admiting how you w0dk4 prevented the development of a GLS replacement prior the GLS shut down by microsoft eventhough it was known that the support time is almost over (a matter that was discussed at the old TLR and still can be read on the archives)
talking about TLR, how about you remove the TLR archives from the net as they are actually TLR property
and finally you were talking about link exchange… ok
1. how about you let us use OUR software as our needs are different
2. how about you grant others the right to use alternative community bars as several server and community admins requested the creation of it
3. if you think you have to deny us and others the above rights then why dont you use the already existing button link exchange from FLC (same rights for everyone)you want first steps… so do them
oh one final comment:
Azzas policy towards TSP regarding links is not neccessary my policy
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yeah me!..
How about… the both of you take a step back of the podium… and let us… the community speak?
OP… yes, you have done alot… and many notice and give respect in kind… but unfortunately that gets dragged down with all this old Bulshit… I understand (as do many) you’ve had better days with Freelancer… but this argument is dragging you both down… and your BOTH better than that… for fracks sake i hope you are… or its time to hang up the admin hat.
TSP and assorted TLR bashers… yes TLR did a bad thing (or 2) at one time… BUT THAT TIME IS NOT NOW!!! … im not going to pull quotes outa my ass and make you feel bad about your opinions, were all entitled to what we feel… What has been done in the past is just that… the past… you drag us all down with this squabble… and i for one am wholly sick of it… from both sides. TLR is back up… live with it…
And one final thing… I saw above nothing more than a simple outstretch of one site to the other… based on the disscusion that has taken place… Don’t cut that hand off OP… and for our sakes… go have a drink and mellow out for a few hours… come back and re-read that post from w0dk4… re-read this… then look at all the old time players and moders voicing the “not agian” opinion… were over this … we just want to make mods and have a good time… this thread… is far from a good or productive time…
Xarian out…
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No no no Xarian,
why is the stuff that THEY have done in the past, all the troubles they have caused not important anymore? Obviously I get blamed for every small crap, just like e.g. “creating a community bar” or “having an own opinion about some screenshots” aswell as all my work is getting constantly discredited since I have officially left TSP 1 1/2 years ago when these guys started to discuss how to destroy another FL community on the admins board?The point is I did something nobody of them was interested to do for years, asking Azza to allow me to build up TLR again in order to bring old can new members to the FL community(and probably bringing the community itself a bit closer together). And just a few days later read this thread here where I get bashed, where TLR gets bashed.
I decided to come to this thread to make an offer so the troubles could end and guess what, I get bashed again. I am even being told which software I have to use on my own site, hello?
Judging by this thread and its replies Starport is in no way willing to stop this crap and actively start to support TLR and the other Communities aligned to it. Therefore the TLR administration and leadership aswell as the benefits from it will be shared by the other remaining FL communities that agreed in this kind of cooperation and by those which will join in later.
This was the intention from day one and this is how it will be. I didnt start this project for my personal interests, but I am also not willing to take the blame while others take the benefits. Coz this is happening for several years meanwhile, and i am sick of it.TLR is back, it will stay that way and become an active and successful Lancer community again… thats a fact.
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I think by now its becoming clear who actually wants the split.
Btw. Huor did never submit a news about Crossfire (or it had an error, who knows), at least if another Starport admin did not delete the news which I highly doubt. Will have to double check with FF on that one.
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Saving a FL community and rebuilding it, getting other FL communities finally to work together, doing decisions together, working on the same project and supporting those communities is a split now? Coming here, despite the respectles content of this thread to make an offer is a split?
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OPR8R wrote:
how about you finally post the news that were submitted by huor about my mod 1month agohow about you stop denying that the work ive done for the freelancer community
how about you stop denying the help requests that were going into your direction (a little reminder on the very first ones: i asked TSP for help to prevent the GLS shut down as we clearly got an offer to keep it running; another request for help happened when the FL communities where hacked and TSP claimed to be save now)
how about finally admitting TSPs role in the split of the FL communitiy (after all it where TSP admins in charge at TLR during that time, it where the TSP admins in charge of the TLR meeting in 2007 and the hacking happened because of exactly those members)
how about admiting how you w0dk4 prevented the development of a GLS replacement prior the GLS shut down by microsoft eventhough it was known that the support time is almost over (a matter that was discussed at the old TLR and still can be read on the archives)
talking about TLR, how about you remove the TLR archives from the net as they are actually TLR property
and finally you were talking about link exchange… ok
1. how about you let us use OUR software as our needs are different
2. how about you grant others the right to use alternative community bars as several server and community admins requested the creation of it
3. if you think you have to deny us and others the above rights then why dont you use the already existing button link exchange from FLC (same rights for everyone)you want first steps… so do them
oh one final comment:
Azzas policy towards TSP regarding links is not neccessary my policy
but in the end it depends on the treatment we receive from TSP (which btw. doesnt look good right now)See Wolfie, your timing was off. Now Jesus is required…
A few observations:
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Op, you will have to directly quote the post where anyone said TLR was best off dead. I’ve re-read the topic, I can’t find it - I must be missing something.
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Op, please quote where slanderous comments are made attacking you before you appear in this thread.
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Op, please provide a direct quote of why your input here was required in order to defend TLR, or yourself for that matter.
Now, Op, for each of the above - please do NOT add your own interpretation. Just let the original posts speak for themselves, UN-EDITED or TRUNCATED.
The reason I ask this is simple - I re-read the thread, until you showed up, it was a reasonable discussion. I see on other sites that your claiming TSP says TLR is better off dead. I don’t need to twist words, it’s evident to all that such behaviour is an attempt to stir things up.
Oh - and Op, if that was indeed the server news posted by Huor - then you owe w0dk4 an apology.
And Wolfie, you see, NOW is the time J
OPR8R wrote:
Azzas policy towards TSP regarding links is not neccessary my policy
but in the end it depends on the treatment we receive from TSP (which btw. doesnt look good right now)Now now Op, is this a thinly veiled threat you are making? I don’t want to twist your words, but your post is actually a threat
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1. no it is not the news that i was talking about
2. it was not the only news that were submitted to TSP (the news I submitted january during the mod awards also was not posted and there definitly was no problem with the site)
3. if you consider it a threat that i might consider not to allow links to a site that is constantly bashing us, well then i can not change it… take it as a threat, i take it as a possible policy -
OPR8R wrote:
1. no it is not the news that i was talking about
2. it was not the only news that were submitted to TSP (the news I submitted january during the mod awards also was not posted and there definitly was no problem with the site)
3. if you consider it a threat that i might consider not to allow links to a site that is constantly bashing us, well then i can not change it… take it as a threat, i take it as a possible policyPlease provide evidence where in this thread you were bashed - I added some text to the original post:
A few observations:
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Op, you will have to directly quote the post where anyone said TLR was best off dead. I’ve re-read the topic, I can’t find it - I must be missing something.
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Op, please quote where slanderous comments are made attacking you before you appear in this thread.
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Op, please provide a direct quote of why your input here was required in order to defend TLR, or yourself for that matter.
Now, Op, for each of the above - please do NOT add your own interpretation. Just let the original posts speak for themselves, UN-EDITED or TRUNCATED.
The reason I ask this is simple - I re-read the thread, until you showed up, it was a reasonable discussion. I see on other sites that your claiming TSP says TLR is better off dead. I don’t need to twist words, it’s evident to all that such behaviour is an attempt to stir things up.
Honestly, before you posted, this thread was a reasonable and responsible discussion without any attacks perceivable. Since you appear, you’ve dragged it into something moderately disgusting. This has become standard practice in threads you post in. This is the reason I wish you’d leave TSP - but I have no part in TSP, so it’s only my personal wish, so don’t go around telling anyone it is TSP’s policy.
However, feel free to tell them it’s my personal opinion.
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