Re: Effects showroom!
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Is it a real beam or it is a pen named beam?
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Here are all the source files, as well as details on how it works, and how to implement it.
The guns themselves can probably be tweaked a bit to produce a slightly better result. I stopped in the middle of such tweaking and decided that it was close enough.
I’m including a redundant mirror just in case.
http://www.filefront.com/17151413/FreelancerBeamFX.zip
http://www.mediafire.com/?s6fkhzfprn12m6cExcerpt from the readme:
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IntroThis was simply an effects modding exercise to see if I could recreate a beam similar in style to Freespace 2s beam effects. Unforuntely, beam weapons cannot be properly done in the Freelancer engine. The closest thing to a real implementation you can do is an extremely fast firing, high muzzle velocity, short lifespan bullet.
I had no intent for anything with a practical use, so I decided to see how close I could get to just looking like a working beam.
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Rail-Knife Turret
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Warning: I recall that modders said that weapons with an extremly high refire rate (iirc more than ~15) do costs A LOT OF performance.
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Why485 wrote:
Although the beam effect isn’t 100% finished, I think it’s close enough for my purposes.Youtube link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLG1JywpP0I
http://a.imageshack.us/img199/2599/beam01.jpg
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/4586/beam02.jpg
http://a.imageshack.us/img820/9742/beam03.jpgTry to move mouse while firing and it become a #^$%&.
It won’t be a beam while turning/targeting and firing.
A screenshot why:
It is not a ray.
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What’s your point Nova?
Why’s done something really nice. If you think you can do better (hahaha), feel free to show us. Otherwise, be thankful he gave the source and that this is even possible.
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FriendlyFire wrote:
Why’s done something really nice. If you think you can do better (hahaha), feel free to show us. Otherwise, be thankful he gave the source and that this is even possible.Yes, this is very ok… if shoot in one direction
Anyway i saw nothing new for me - just very fast bullets - there is no hard work. Its wrong way to make real ray. We should attract patience to programming (hacks, plugins) to enable graphic engine to do a ray (kion lasers in X2/X3R/X3TC is not a fast bullets). -
I know it’s not the same thing, but could you possibly simulate something similar by using an extremely long beam length? i.e slow refire rate but long lasting effect lifetime. Totally useless against fighters I suspect but might not look unfeasable when fired between slower moving capships.
Wouldn’t be surprised if you haven’t already been there and done that though.
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There are two ways to do beams. There is the super fast gun method, and then there is the muzzle flash method. There are pros and cons to each.
The super fast gun method is the one everybody is familiar with. You simply use an extremely fast firing gun with a super fast bullet. The muzzle flash method on the other hand involves attaching the effect to the muzzle flash of the gun.
Super Fast Gun Method
Pros:
- Beam collides properly with objects
- “What you see is what you get” hit detection
Cons:
- Throws in insane amount of bullets in an insanely short time, prone to causing and being affected by lag issues.
- Due to long beamfx for the bullet, at short range you may end up with no visual effect at all.
- Sweeping a beam results in banding. (The issue described by Nova.)
Muzzle Flash Method
Pros:
- Solid, coherent beam
- Does not require an enormous amount of bullets
- Immune to banding when sweeping a beam
- Beam can penetrate targets
Cons:
- Because your bullets are invisible, it is possible that your beam hits a fast moving target, but the actual bullet did not.
- The beam will always extend to its full length, regardless of whether or not something is in the way.
In the end, I decided to go with a hybrid of the two. The majority of the beam is composed of the fast gun bullets, but a muzzle flash beam consists of about the first 500-1000m of the beam.
[Edit] Just saw Timmy’s post.
While visually, that would probably work fairly well as long as you use a trail based effect for your bullet, the beams would not be continuous. You would not be able to sweep beams and the beams would just do one single lump of damage.
If you have ever played Mechwarrior 3, what you are describing is a regular laser, while the beams that people typically try to replicate are pulse lasers.
[Double Edit] Just saw Nova’s new post.
Nova wrote:
Its wrong way to make real ray. We should attract patience to programming (hacks, plugins) to enable graphic engine to do a ray (kion lasers in X2/X3R/X3TC is not a fast bullets).It’s funny you mention that. I’m 90% certain that the kyon lasers in the X series function exactly like how a muzzle flash laser would work in Freelancer. The X series honestly seems like it’s using the same engine as the original X:BTF, and they’ve just been adding graphics and functionality as they go along. If you’ve ever tried modding the game (not scripting), you will see how painful it is to do nearly anything due to the abundance of hard coded nonsense. The end result is a game that while visually very pretty, still feels extremely clunky and dated.
(Another example of the above rant would be ARMA 2. The reason ARMA 2 feels so clunky and slow is because they’ve been using the same engine since the original OPF.)
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This reminds me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9ULlOE5VUE&hd=1#t=0m16s
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The only mod I’ve ever seen a good beam working in was that old plasmafire mod, the transports used to fire a nice red beam that appeared to work correctly. Be damned if I can find a download of it anywhere to take a look at how it was setup though. If anyone has it archived somewhere might be worth taking a peak at how they did it.
Yours looks a lot more spectacular WHY but if it’s a lag fest in the making I can imagine that would be a problem for most. Bloody good effort though
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IZHTPRUGXE
I don’t actually own Nexus, so I’m not sure why their ships explode in such a brilliant fashion, but I’m not going to complain.
I decided to try and replicate the fantastic explosions in Nexus for Freelancer. I tried to get as close as possible to it, including the scale. The scale is almost exact, meaning that even at 3km, the effect takes up a little more than your entire screen.
Minor note, the flaming and smoking trails are not a part of the effect and are an unrelated and separate effect played at the same time. I should’ve gone back and redid those while I was at it, but I figured I could save that for later.
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Truly breath taking!
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Thats cool, Nexus has some of the coolest explosions in a game Ive ever seen. This would be a nice addition to FL.
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Very nice, Why.
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HeHeHe. The ALE wars have begun! Love it
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I think that Explosion is a bit too huge.