Cruisers, battleships in game

The engine and power are to small. Use the li cruiser engine (look in the engine_equip for “lc_”.
The SFX is not a crash reason. It just adds some rumbling sound to your ship, so it sounds big.

Oh and: fuses are no equipment for ships. Fuses are fuses.
Just remove the 3 fuses for testing.

explosion_resistance = 0.900000 <<–- WTF??? on a shiparch??

try removing that first, Engine & power won’t crash unless its not defined… there are no restrictions in the normal game, any engine/power will mount on any ship via a goods entry… you’ll just get a lower underpowered one… and with BS ships…& a trader loadout you’ll probably just sit there with not enough power to do anything.

try stripping the goods line by line… you only really need the following to work

addon = ship_engine_01, internal, 1
addon = ship_power01, internal, 1
addon = ge_s_scanner_01, internal, 1
addon = ge_s_tractor_01, internal, 1

& any lights/contrails you want active
Battleships don’t normally have shields either

If you think that this is needed, just do it! It’s your cruiser.

Oki… lets look at this a second

In short… yes, when in doubt… make your own to test with… that’s the joy of modding really. This applys to almost every aspect of making anything… EVER… so… that bita wisdom aside…

You are starting to get the idea here Davis, yes a traders engine won’t have the necessary thrust to counter the battleship/cruisers mass… you can in theory have a powerplant with small values and still have a functional ship… but the engine is key to flight here and here’s where you should start, regardless of your crash … its just good practice.

Now… There’s a whole bevy of engines already in the game that cater for all classes but in my experience when working on bringing back the Battleships & Other non flyables for player use… its best to just leave the originals alone and make some “copys” … why? you ask… well balance really… and agian… its good practice and easy too for what your doing you can even use the same IDS numbers (though not desired) just tag them differently in the INI IE: my_bs_engine01

also… try to get as close to possible to the original from the start (for anything) then “mod up” from there… make it work… then mod it… well that’s what works for me anyways lol & when in doubt, revert back to your previous backup (you do make backups i hope?) and start again after sleeping on it a bit 8-)

Did you modify anything else exept the things for that cruiser? And where do you want to sell it? Make sure you don’t have more than three ship packages to sell on the station/planet.

Just use the cruiser engine
should be ge_lc_engine01 or ge_lc_engine_01.

 <data file="data\ships\shiparch.ini" method="append"><source>
[Ship]
ids_name = 237031
ids_info = 66565
nickname = li_cruiser_pl
LODranges = 0, 200, 400, 600, 1000, 6000
msg_id_prefix = gcs_refer_shiparch_Libc
cockpit = Cockpits\liberty\l_freighter.ini
HpCockpit=DpCntrltwr
shield_link=l_freighter_shield01, HpMount, HpEngine01, DpCntrltwr
hp_type = hp_freighter_shield_special_10, DpCntrltwr
max_bank_angle = 15
camera_offset = 15, 150 ; 25, 180
camera_angular_acceleration = 0.060000
camera_horizontal_turn_angle = 20
camera_vertical_turn_up_angle = 10
camera_vertical_turn_down_angle = 20
camera_turn_look_ahead_slerp_amount = 1.000000
strafe_force = 40000.000000
mission_property = can_use_large_moors
;type = CRUISER
type = FREIGHTER
ship_class= 2
DA_archetype = ships\liberty\li_cruiser\li_cruiser.cmp
material_library = ships\liberty\li_capships.mat
material_library = fx\envmapbasic.mat
envmap_material = envmapbasic
linear_drag = 1.000000
mass = 5000.000000
hold_size = 1000
hit_pts = 43300
explosion_arch = explosion_instant
fuse = li_cruiser_body_fuse, 0.000000, 1
fuse = li_cruiser_burning_fuse01, 0.000000, 10825
fuse = li_cruiser_burning_fuse02, 0.000000, 5413
surface_hit_effects = 0, small_hull_hit_light01, small_hull_hit_light02, small_hull_hit_light03
surface_hit_effects = 150, small_hull_hit_medium01, small_hull_hit_medium02, small_hull_hit_medium03
surface_hit_effects = 300, small_hull_hit_heavy01, small_hull_hit_heavy02, small_hull_hit_heavy03
steering_torque = 20000000.000000, 20000000.000000, 20000000.000000
angular_drag = 132000000.000000, 132000000.000000, 132000000.000000
rotation_inertia = 40000000.000000, 40000000.000000, 40000000.000000
nudge_force = 300000.000000
HP_bay_surface = HpBayDoor01
HP_bay_external = HpBayDoor02
HP_tractor_source = HpTractor_Source
num_exhaust_nozzles = 4</data> 

 <data file="DATA\EQUIPMENT\goods.ini" method="append"><source>
[Good]
nickname = li_cruiser_pl_hull
category = shiphull
ship = li_cruiser_pl
price = 15 ;00
ids_name = 237031

[Good]
nickname = li_cruiser_package
category = ship
hull = li_cruiser_pl_hull
addon = infinite_power
addon = ge_s_scanner_02
addon = ge_s_tractor_01
addon = ge_lc_engine_01
addon = sfx_rumble_cruiser
addon = li_cruiser_forward_gun01, HpWeapon01
addon = li_cruiser_turret01, HpTurret_L5_01
addon = li_cruiser_turret01, HpTurret_L5_02
addon = li_cruiser_missile_turret01, HpTurret_L5_03
addon = li_cruiser_missile_turret01, HpTurret_L5_04
addon = li_cruiser_turret01, HpTurret_L5_05
addon = li_cruiser_turret01, HpTurret_L5_06
addon = li_cruiser_turret01, HpTurret_L5_07
addon = LargeWhiteSpecial, HpHeadLight01
addon = LargeWhiteSpecial, HpHeadLight02
addon = SlowLargeBlue, HpRunningLight03
addon = SlowLargeBlue, HpRunningLight06
addon = SlowLargeBlue, HpRunningLight08
addon = SlowLargeBlue, HpRunningLight09</data> 

 <data file="DATA\EQUIPMENT\misc_equip.ini" method="append"><source>

[Power]
nickname = my_power_01
ids_name = 0 ;GENERATESTRRES("My Power Converter")
ids_info = 0 ;GENERATEXMLRES("<xml><rdl><push><tra data="1" mask="1" def="-2"><just loc="center"><text>My Power Converter</text><para><para><tra data="0" mask="1" def="-1"><just loc="left"><text>CLASSIFIED</text><para><para></para></para></just></tra></para></para></just></tra></push></rdl></xml>")
volume = 0.000000
mass = 10
DA_archetype = equipment\models\hardware\li_fusion_reactor.3db
material_library = equipment\models\hardware.mat
capacity = 18000
charge_rate = 6000
thrust_capacity = 1500
thrust_charge_rate = 100
lootable = false</data> 

Stick that in an xml script file in your mod folder, FLMM will read that, and create a player flyable Liberty Cruiser, with a slot for a class 10 freighter shield if you want to buy one.

There is also an example of how you would add a custom power converter if you wanted one for the ship, dont use that one though, not large enough really for a capship.

Just add the market goods entry for the package as you would for any new ship…

 <data file="DATA\Equipment\market_ships.ini" method="append"><source>

[BaseGood]
base = Li01_03_base
;***pittsburgh
; *** New Ships ***
marketgood = li_cruiser_package, 1, -1, 1, 1, 0, 1, 1</data> 

Davis wrote:
Thanks for the info, but all I want to make a new engine entry which is based on the nomad fighter engine (ge_nf_engine_01) but as big as the li_cruiser engine (ge_lc_engine_01) for cruiser class of course. I haven’t played with it for a while so my knowledge is rusty.

Ahh, well that would mean editing the engine effects ale to make a nomad fighter style engine in a capship size,

the other two nomad engines, are quite large and have additional effects that mean they might not suit, but you could try the nomad gunboat engine as a base

For the start I would just use the original liberty cruiser’s flame effect by replacing the effect reference in your new engine with:

flame_effect = gf_li_largeengine01_fire

As editing effect files is rather difficult.

well thats how, like the ‘custom power’ example I gave you, custom engines are the same, just a different ini…

; *************
; Engines
; *************

 <data file="DATA\EQUIPMENT\engine_equip.ini" method="append"><source>

[Engine]
nickname = ad_raptor_dest_engine_01
ids_name = 263887
ids_info = 264887
volume = 000.000000
mass = 10
max_force = 250000
linear_drag = 5000
reverse_fraction = 0.300000
flame_effect = gf_li_largeengine01_fire
;trail_effect = gf_li_largeengine01_trail
trail_effect = gf_co_smallengine03_trail
cruise_charge_time = 5
cruise_power_usage = 20
rumble_sound = rumble_cruiser
rumble_atten_range = -5, 0
rumble_pitch_range = -25, 25
cruise_start_sound = engine_li_cruise_start
cruise_loop_sound = engine_li_cruise_loop
cruise_stop_sound = engine_li_cruise_stop
indestructible = false
outside_cone_attenuation = -3
inside_sound_cone = 90
outside_sound_cone = 270</data> 

That’s based off a liberty cruiser engine, for a custom liberty destroyer
That s the flmm script to make a new engine, to use it for a player ship, just put your new engine name in the

addon = [enginename], internal, 1

line in the ship package code.

For an npc ship, there is a similar line in the loadouts inis, loadouts.ini for small or player ships

The other loadout ini’s are for npc transports and warships.

the syntax changes to

equip = [enginename], internal, 1

As for your RED highlighted entries, as I said earlier, to resize the engine effects from a nomad fighter engine to fit a cruiser, you would need to edit the ale file with an ale editor, OR use larger effects, such as the ones from the nomad gunboat, however, when using nomad engine effects, be aware that you might need to MOVE the hpengine?? hardpoints forwards, as they dont follow the same setup as regular engine effects, since they were intended to add internal effects to a transparent hull as well as the engine fire/trail.

The gunboats engine effects are in here

[Engine]
nickname = ge_ng_engine_01
ids_name = 263905
ids_info = 264905
volume = 400.000000
mass = 10
max_force = 360000
linear_drag = 3000
reverse_fraction = 0.100000
flame_effect = gf_no_largeengine01
cruise_charge_time = 5
cruise_power_usage = 20
rumble_sound = rumble_nomad
rumble_atten_range = -5, 0
rumble_pitch_range = -25, 25
cruise_start_sound = engine_no_cruise_start
cruise_loop_sound = engine_no_cruise_loop
cruise_stop_sound = engine_no_cruise_stop
indestructible = false
outside_cone_attenuation = -3
inside_sound_cone = 90
outside_sound_cone = 270
lootable = false

[Engine]
nickname = ge_nb_engine_01
ids_name = 263906
ids_info = 264906
volume = 400.000000
mass = 10
max_force = 3000000
linear_drag = 100000
reverse_fraction = 0.100000
flame_effect = gf_no_largeengine02
cruise_charge_time = 5
cruise_power_usage = 20
rumble_sound = rumble_nomad
indestructible = false
outside_cone_attenuation = -3
inside_sound_cone = 90
outside_sound_cone = 270
lootable = false

Ok?

If you decide to move the hardpoints, you will want to clone the original cruiser mesh with the FL model cloner so it doesnt conflict with the original, write your new ship script to use the 'new mesh, and add your new custom engine/power/whatever in the new package file.

If the effect you are using doesnt fit, you will have to edit the ale, there should be tutorials on that somewhere along with links to a working version of the ale editor, if its still available.