Brrr and wut wit TLR?

Anyone had a look at the views of this topic recently?

198,758

Huor wrote:
… mostly in germany the one who lost on court pays the bills - if he didnt had an assurence …

• Ever had a copyright violation lawsuit?
• Ever seen an assurence, assurance or insurance wanting 2 pay 4 that?
• Ever heard about an necessary advance, If you are the one going to court?
• Ever heard, that the location of the claimant doesn’t matter much in german courts?

Obviously not.
Maybe ask your senior chief master lawyer.

And you guys are so right- in fact it’s an

why would i need such a tool when i have the original databases which are currently being integrated into TLR again?

either we can make a deal and stop this misery once and forever or we continue this crap with all its consequences (which of course is not your problem as cheeseontoast is the guy which is responsible for the data hosted here)

look
agree to the deal and all troubles between our communities are gone, furthermore you can take benefit from all the work we do at TLR

F!R wrote:

• Ever had a copyright violation lawsuit?

me actually not - but one of my best friends ;D

F!R wrote:

• Ever seen an assurence, assurance or insurance wanting 2 pay 4 that?

didnt meant an assurence that pays for the bills for illegal stuff, i meant an assurence to defend someone on court. So just going there is eventually covered by the assurence/insurence whatever.

F!R wrote:

• Ever heard about an necessary advance, If you are the one going to court?

Actually yes, or do you believe the thousands that are going to court are going there just they felt bored? Could it be that its someone good right to fight for something that belongs to him/her? I am convinced that there are necessary advances.

F!R wrote:

• Ever heard, that the location of the claimant doesn’t matter much in german courts?

I wasnt yet on court or had to deal with something like this. And its not my job in first instance - there are probably persons that i pay for doing this ;D

F!R wrote:
Obviously not.
Maybe ask your senior chief master lawyer.

Or you^^

OPR8R wrote:
why would i need such a tool when i have the original databases which are currently being integrated into TLR again?

either we can make a deal and stop this misery once and forever or we continue this crap with all its consequences (which of course is not your problem as cheeseontoast is the guy which is responsible for the data hosted here)

look
agree to the deal and all troubles between our communities are gone, furthermore you can take benefit from all the work we do at TLR

Is that an ultimatum? And what if we say “no” like we said previously?

Good riddance ignoring all the valid points that have been raised, too. And cheese has nothing to do with whatever’s hosted here.

the domain tells something different

Domain Services Provided By:
domain.com,
http://www.domain.com

Registrant:
Gary Roberson
Treyarnon, The Drang
Indian Queens, St Columb
Truro, Cornwall TR9 6PW
GB

Registrar: DOTSTER
Domain Name: THE-STARPORT.NET
Created on: 11-FEB-08
Expires on: 12-FEB-11
Last Updated on: 12-FEB-10

Administrative, Technical Contact:
Roberson, Gary
Treyarnon, The Drang
Indian Queens, St Columb
Truro, Cornwall TR9 6PW
GB
07865090055

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.MDNS.NL
NS2.MDNS.NL

Reading the ISP policies btw. helps

OPR8R wrote:
why would i need such a tool when i have the original databases which are currently being integrated into TLR again?

either we can make a deal and stop this misery once and forever or we continue this crap with all its consequences (which of course is not your problem as cheeseontoast is the guy which is responsible for the data hosted here)

look
agree to the deal and all troubles between our communities are gone, furthermore you can take benefit from all the work we do at TLR

You’re a bully! But nobody is afraid of you. You really need to take a good look at yourself, you have a serious case of double standards.

Take a look at your mod, you’ve swiped a shed load of materials, textures, ships etc from copyright protected games, X3, Spaceforce Rogue Universe to name just two, without which your mod would be missing a hell of a lot of the shinyness it has. So with one hand you’re prepared to take what’s not yours from copyright work that’s actually filed for full on protection, and then with the other threaten to sue people for materials that you don’t really have a sure fire claim to.

I’ve said this to others before, you can’t get down off your horse and drink milk from the trough then climb back on it and pretend you haven’t done it. Do yourself and everyone else a favour, get off your horse and put some more milk in the trough, that’s the best way to help yourself and all of the other communities.

Aigle-Imperial wrote:
Anyone had a look at the views of this topic recently?

198,758

That was Azza. Being online at the time of his DDOS, he had 150 “unregistered” people constantly looking at this thread. Means that at 150 per second, he spent 20 minutes (~188,000 requests).

Ah ok, that explains it.^^

i don’t see, where is the problem, if e.g. both sites host the archive or one site the archive while the other one hosts a copy of it. if you say, OP has no rights for the archive, we do neither have, acually, do we?

The entire legality of what we are doing is down the crapper anyways, so honestly, I just find it distasteful that it’s even being brought up.

Modding is illegal, taking copyrighted works from other properties is illegal, the no-cd is illegal, Hook is illegal… If you want to open that can of worms, you’re condemning the entire community, INCLUDING YOURS, OP.

You’d be a selfish idiot to do that, let me tell you.

Just let it go, will you? Oh and, yes cheese registered the domain, but he doesn’t have anything to do with what’s being hosted here. What, you want to drag him into court?

No, Op believes that the domain name implies ownership of content of the server.

So back to GoDaddy being the legal owners of anything derived from TLR :lol: (this is a joke btw Op, sorry if you thought it was serious!).

Anyway I refuse to refer to lancersreactor.org as TLR, all it is is a clone site until proven otherwise (although it appears to have similar policies at present - claiming it is a community hub, and then snub existing widely adopted community solutions under the auspice that such solutions do not match it’s own requirement, and therefore it will create it’s own…promote it’s own, and attempt to have people adopt it’s own in direct competition to someone elses without actually contacting or attempting to work with anyone upon the existing one!)

Ironically this was something that TSP was accused by the now antagoniser of doing repeatedly, including just the other day with links…whilst lancersreactor.org links is also snubbing the existing solution and doing exactly what w0dk4 announced by having an old fashioned one. Oh the sweet sweet aroma of hypocrisy !!!)

Op, a few observations: You’ve never provided a list of bashed lancersreactor.org members (so please stop saying people are bashing lancersreactor.org members - or using it as a justification to smear TSP).

Also, you kept saying you came with an offer, yet your first post only makes the suggestion we all stay away from lancersreactor.org, whilst a subsequent post says you only came here to defend yourself. The three are conflicting.

Anyway.
Do you plan to spam people with emails that they specifically said they did not want (this was brought up back in 2004/2005 on TLR - understandable you are not aware, it is before your time) from the archives of TLR to try and populate lancersreactor.org?

However, I have to ask:

Look at this objectively. Is the removal of an archive suddenly going to be instrumental in the success of lancersreactor.org

Why do you believe this?

So far the only real justification is that as soon as you took ownership you decided no-one should be able to access content as you “own” it through dubious and shakey claims.
This means I could register lancesreactor.net (tis only about $10 per year max) and host an alternative? or just ensure it appears highest in the listings for lancersreactor searches and then redirect to the-starport Hmm… actually… (since I’m a member, but not affiliated with TSP, there is no argument about TSP being evil :D)

I don’t believe your threats of legal action will amount to anything - just like the claims that you’d passed Azza’s details onto your good police buddy friend (how did that go?:roll:)

But seriously - good luck with lancersreactor.org, it may be tough, but if it works and gains popularity, it would be cool

oh, and is this you?

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Domain Name:LANCERSREACTOR.ORG
Created On:15-Dec-2008 12:52:18 UTC
Last Updated On:24-Oct-2010 16:48:29 UTC
Expiration Date:15-Dec-2011 12:52:18 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:1 & 1 Internet AG (R73-LROR)
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@FF

Your Representations. By applying to register a domain name, or by asking us to maintain or renew a domai n name registration, you hereby represent and warrant to us that (a) the statements that you made in your Registration Agre ement are complete and accurate; (b) to your knowledge, the registration of the domain name will not infringe upon or other wise violate the rights of any third party; you are not registering the domain name for an unlawful purpose; and (d) yo u will not knowingly use the domain name in violation of any applicable laws or regulations. It is your responsibility to d etermine whether your domain name registration infringes or violates someone else’s rights.

The domain owner is always the one that is responsible for what is hosted on his/her domain. I can tell that by experience and because it is a written policy. Huor btw. also has forced me to remove some stuff from one of my domains some time ago (but we were never close to dealing it at a court).
Most likely situation that happens before anybody ends up in a court room is that the ISP that runs the server cancels the contract due to a violation of the contract terms. -> wouldnt be the first time that it happens in FL (eventhough it did not happen not a single time in the past 5 years).

Yes you are right FF, modding is illegal based on the EULA. That Microsoft actually as no problem with modding is shown by the fact that they link to modding sites and have hosted the biggest Lancer modding community and supported that community for 7 long years. No-CDs are not illegal. You can meanwhile (for 4 years) buy Freelancer CDs which inlcude no copy protection. Dunno about hooking… but I would put it in the same category as modding.

My request to get the archives only hosted at the site that they came from is based on obligations that i have to fulfill as new owner of that site, that these +20.000 TLR members have once registered on and agreed to submit their posts. This is about being able to fulfill my duty regarding this content, which is hard to do when it is hosted somewhere else.
I dont want to limit the access to the data, that is not my intention. I have not asked you to transfer anything to me (as this is not required) nor have i asked you to delete it entirely, so you can put it back online if I fail with TLR (or if you wish also if you think i broke my work regarding this database). You have in fact nothing to loose by agreeing to this deal, but both sides would win.

@chips
godaddy is a domain registrar, not a registrant/domain owner
if i recall right its the worlds biggest domain registrar
it hold no rights on those domains but i see that you know that already eventhough i am not quiet sure if i should laugh about the joke now (ill probably decide about that tomorrow)

Sigh.

I’ll just say this, because I’m tired of it all: I do not see what sort of obligation would force you to take down all other copies of the site. If that were the case, bp would have asked us to do so a long, long time ago. I would somewhat agree if we were running a live version, but we are only offering a read-only, offsite archive. The material in there is exactly as it was when it was posted and will not be changed in any way. The people who posted were perfectly fine with how it was back then, and since we are not changing anything I do not see why this would change.

Redundancy is far from a bad thing, and with the amount of work we’ve put into getting and fixing this thing, I think it would only be graceful of you to let us keep it. It’s not doing you any damage, it’s not even called “TLR” something. It’s just there for those who might need it.

Is that such a bad thing?

Difference between bp and me is that bp was not owner to TLR since 2007. He handed over the ownership to others (which as we know give damn about legal rights). During the past 3 years bp wasnt able to get TLR back but failed as he had no rights on it anymore.
Redundancy is good.
The redundancy is also not the problem as you can keep the data and host it again if things go wrong. What im trying to do at TLR with that data is not only hosting a “dead” (read-only) image of what it once was but a fully functional version that really can be used. In my eyes this would be very beneficial for FL players aswell as modders. Plus there is the fact that this fully functional database can be easily used to bring back old players and new ones aswell (TLR has a pretty good number of daily visitors).

Honestly, OP, you’re missing one point: we’ve been trying to be accommodating. TLR is but a shadow of its former self and it will be extremely hard for you to bring it back with the way you’re going. We don’t care about your opinion. The archive will stay hosted here and if you’re not happy, I will personally show you the way to the exit.

(Hint: it’s that little X in the top-right corner)

Just because you want us to remove the archive doesn’t mean we will. You have given no good reason bar bogus legal threats.

We’re done with this thread and I urge everyone to let it die down.

hmm k

Just in case he tries to take legal actions - and just in case he will have success with it - just in case! Would you consider him than as evil if he tried to find other solutions prior to that date?

If he tries and fails wont be your (TSPs) problem at all - because then nothing do change, but if he tries and succeeded with it then eventually something will change.

I guess I know the answer already - just wanted to bring another point of view and asking me if you already have considered this way and you are prepared for the outcome?

PS: I have no personal interest if OP gets the data or not if its hosted here or somewhere else. I was not member of TLR at that times so my personal data are not concerned. But eventually there might be persons that are concerned about data privacy a bit more than the normal human being in the nowadays social network times^^